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Megan Strobel
Hi Matthew,

I'm using version 5.5.0 Build beta-9. I tried the URL again and it timed out. I tried to open the file and it looked like it was loading for a while and then the bar disappeared, but nothing appeared in the Protégé window....

I've been able to open another file with rdf extension, so I'm not sure what's happening with this file.

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   1. Re: count occurrences of elements in a bag (Lorenz B.)
   2. Equivalent To display (Wynne, Robert (NIH/NLM/LHC) [C])
   3. Re: count occurrences of elements in a bag (Loveleen)
   4. Re: Equivalent To display (Csongor Nyulas)
   5. Trouble opening a file (Megan Strobel)
   6. Re: Trouble opening a file (Matthew Horridge)
   7. Re: count occurrences of elements in a bag (Michael DeBellis)


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Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 08:18:13 +0200
From: "Lorenz B." <[hidden email]>
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Hi all,
not sure about your discussion, but the question was more or less clear, or I just misunderstood the example:? I think the TO wants an SQWRL query that computes the number of classes to which each individual is asserted to.

The SQWRL query should be:

|abox:caa(?cls, ?ind)? ^? sqwrl:makeBag(?bag, ?cls) ^
sqwrl:groupBy(?bag, ?ind)? ^ sqwrl:size(?n, ?bag) -> sqwrl:select(?ind, ?n)|


The SPARQL query is by the way also wrong ... you have to count by individual, not by class and I don't know why you want to introduce an new property.

|select ?ind (count(?cls) as ?cnt) where {||
||?? ?ind a ?cls||
||} ||
||group by ?ind|



> Dear Michael,
>
> I have to admit, that this sentence of my statement was very
> imprecisely. Of course you are right that you can define a class as
> domain for an object property. I meant Object Property Assertions. I'm sorry for my mistake.
>
> In my example you have the object property contains with domain
> (Class1 or
> Class2 or Class3) and the range Types_of_content. Now I have created
> elements (individuals) from this Types_of_content (A1, B1, C1, D1).
> Now I wanted to set an object property assertion for every element
> that
> Class1 contains A1, Class1 contains B1 ... and I don't think this is
> possible this way. So I created an individual X1 from Type Class1. And
> now I can set the object property assertion X1 contains A1, X1 contains B1 ...
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel
>
> P.S. If it is possible to set an object property assertion with a
> class this exceeds my knowledge. In case please let me know. I'm far
> away of being an expert, just had an idea for this issue and wanted to
> help ;)
>
>
>
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Hi all,

Is there a formatting option/plugin for our 'Equivalent To' logical definitions?  They are difficult to read with expand and contract of the application.

Thanks
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Hi all,
Thank You so much for taking out the time and attempting to solve my query.
I feel Lorenz's answer was the closest to what I wanted. Thank you Lorenz, i really appreciate it!
However, I have some questions regarding the abox:caa plugin, does it work for inferred classes?
And secondly, could you please guide me so as to what the exact sqwrl query would be if we had multiple classes as i had stated in my original query.
Thanks in advance.



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Hi Robert,

Can you please be more explicit? I am not sure what is the difficulty.
Can you send us some screen shots where you find the presentation difficult to read? Maybe you can also provide a short describe about how you think it could be made more accessible to the user.

Thank you,
Csongor


On 5/20/19 8:01 AM, Wynne, Robert (NIH/NLM/LHC) [C] wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a formatting option/plugin for our ?Equivalent To? logical
> definitions?? They are difficult to read with expand and contract of
> the application.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>
>
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Hello,

I'm trying to open the LCSH's subject schema, either from a downloaded file or from the URI and I'm not having luck with either.

*         The URI is http://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects I tried to open URL and paste in the address, but it timed out. I then tried to open the SKOS/RDF file, but it sat trying to open it for a while and then nothing. The file I tried is rdf format. There are also nt and ttl format that I haven't tried. I read that I should try the U of Manchester's OWL Validator or the OWL Syntax patcher, but when I clicked on the links, the links were dead.

What else can I try?

Thanks!


Megan Strobel
Research Publications Manager
The Capital Group Company
333 S Hope Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071

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Hi Megan,

I?m able to open the file in Protege 5.5.0.  Please can you confirm that you?re using Protege 5.5.0?

Cheers,

Matthew


On May 20, 2019, at 09:38, Megan Strobel <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:

Hello,

I?m trying to open the LCSH?s subject schema, either from a downloaded file or from the URI and I?m not having luck with either.

?         The URI is http://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects I tried to open URL and paste in the address, but it timed out. I then tried to open the SKOS/RDF file, but it sat trying to open it for a while and then nothing. The file I tried is rdf format. There are also nt and ttl format that I haven?t tried. I read that I should try the U of Manchester?s OWL Validator or the OWL Syntax patcher, but when I clicked on the links, the links were dead.

What else can I try?

Thanks!


Megan Strobel
Research Publications Manager
The Capital Group Company
333 S Hope Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071

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Daniel, no need to apologize, thanks for clarifying what you meant.
Regarding your question:

> If it is possible to set an object property assertion with a class...
please let me know.

It actually is possible. There is an OWL feature called Punning:
https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-new-features/#F12:_Punning

With Punning you can create an Individual with the same name as a Class.
This is useful for a (very basic) form of meta-object capability, when you want to add property assertions to a class. For example, if you had an ontology for cars and a class called Prius you might want to have a property called firstManufacturedOnDate  i.e., the first date a Prius was made, which you would want to store as information about the class. Or averageListPrice for the average price that a class of Car is recommended to be sold by a dealer.

Michael

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 8:08 AM Daniel Schiebel <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Dear Michael,
>
> I have to admit, that this sentence of my statement was very imprecisely.
> Of
> course you are right that you can define a class as domain for an
> object property. I meant Object Property Assertions. I'm sorry for my mistake.
>
> In my example you have the object property contains with domain
> (Class1 or
> Class2 or Class3) and the range Types_of_content. Now I have created
> elements (individuals) from this Types_of_content (A1, B1, C1, D1).
> Now I wanted to set an object property assertion for every element
> that
> Class1 contains A1, Class1 contains B1 ... and I don't think this is
> possible this way. So I created an individual X1 from Type Class1. And
> now I can set the object property assertion X1 contains A1, X1
> contains B1 ...
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel
>
> P.S. If it is possible to set an object property assertion with a
> class this exceeds my knowledge. In case please let me know. I'm far
> away of being an expert, just had an idea for this issue and wanted to
> help ;)
>
>
>
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Hi Megan,

I’d upgrade to the 5.5.0 release.  I seem to recall that there was a redirection bug that got fixed between beta-9 and the release.  This might help loading the root file, but I’m not sure that you’ll see what you expect to see… there are some links in the root file, but they aren’t standard import statements and when I try to load one of the links (the general subject headings) the server just returns html.

All the best,

Matthew

> On May 20, 2019, at 18:56, Megan Strobel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Matthew,
>
> I'm using version 5.5.0 Build beta-9. I tried the URL again and it timed out. I tried to open the file and it looked like it was loading for a while and then the bar disappeared, but nothing appeared in the Protégé window....
>
> I've been able to open another file with rdf extension, so I'm not sure what's happening with this file.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
>   1. Re: count occurrences of elements in a bag (Lorenz B.)
>   2. Equivalent To display (Wynne, Robert (NIH/NLM/LHC) [C])
>   3. Re: count occurrences of elements in a bag (Loveleen)
>   4. Re: Equivalent To display (Csongor Nyulas)
>   5. Trouble opening a file (Megan Strobel)
>   6. Re: Trouble opening a file (Matthew Horridge)
>   7. Re: count occurrences of elements in a bag (Michael DeBellis)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 08:18:13 +0200
> From: "Lorenz B." <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [protege-user] count occurrences of elements in a bag
> Message-ID:
> <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi all,
> not sure about your discussion, but the question was more or less clear, or I just misunderstood the example:? I think the TO wants an SQWRL query that computes the number of classes to which each individual is asserted to.
>
> The SQWRL query should be:
>
> |abox:caa(?cls, ?ind)? ^? sqwrl:makeBag(?bag, ?cls) ^
> sqwrl:groupBy(?bag, ?ind)? ^ sqwrl:size(?n, ?bag) -> sqwrl:select(?ind, ?n)|
>
>
> The SPARQL query is by the way also wrong ... you have to count by individual, not by class and I don't know why you want to introduce an new property.
>
> |select ?ind (count(?cls) as ?cnt) where {||
> ||?? ?ind a ?cls||
> ||} ||
> ||group by ?ind|
>
>
>
>> Dear Michael,
>>
>> I have to admit, that this sentence of my statement was very
>> imprecisely. Of course you are right that you can define a class as
>> domain for an object property. I meant Object Property Assertions. I'm sorry for my mistake.
>>
>> In my example you have the object property contains with domain
>> (Class1 or
>> Class2 or Class3) and the range Types_of_content. Now I have created
>> elements (individuals) from this Types_of_content (A1, B1, C1, D1).
>> Now I wanted to set an object property assertion for every element
>> that
>> Class1 contains A1, Class1 contains B1 ... and I don't think this is
>> possible this way. So I created an individual X1 from Type Class1. And
>> now I can set the object property assertion X1 contains A1, X1 contains B1 ...
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>> P.S. If it is possible to set an object property assertion with a
>> class this exceeds my knowledge. In case please let me know. I'm far
>> away of being an expert, just had an idea for this issue and wanted to
>> help ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from:
>> http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Protege-User-f4659818.html
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> AKSW group, University of Leipzig
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> Subject: [protege-user] Equivalent To display
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>
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a formatting option/plugin for our 'Equivalent To' logical definitions?  They are difficult to read with expand and contract of the application.
>
> Thanks
> Rob
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> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [protege-user] count occurrences of elements in a bag
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi all,
> Thank You so much for taking out the time and attempting to solve my query.
> I feel Lorenz's answer was the closest to what I wanted. Thank you Lorenz, i really appreciate it!
> However, I have some questions regarding the abox:caa plugin, does it work for inferred classes?
> And secondly, could you please guide me so as to what the exact sqwrl query would be if we had multiple classes as i had stated in my original query.
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Protege-User-f4659818.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 09:26:56 -0700
> From: Csongor Nyulas <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [protege-user] Equivalent To display
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> Can you please be more explicit? I am not sure what is the difficulty.
> Can you send us some screen shots where you find the presentation difficult to read? Maybe you can also provide a short describe about how you think it could be made more accessible to the user.
>
> Thank you,
> Csongor
>
>
> On 5/20/19 8:01 AM, Wynne, Robert (NIH/NLM/LHC) [C] wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is there a formatting option/plugin for our ?Equivalent To? logical
>> definitions?? They are difficult to read with expand and contract of
>> the application.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> To: "[hidden email]"
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [protege-user] Trouble opening a file
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to open the LCSH's subject schema, either from a downloaded file or from the URI and I'm not having luck with either.
>
> *         The URI is http://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects I tried to open URL and paste in the address, but it timed out. I then tried to open the SKOS/RDF file, but it sat trying to open it for a while and then nothing. The file I tried is rdf format. There are also nt and ttl format that I haven't tried. I read that I should try the U of Manchester's OWL Validator or the OWL Syntax patcher, but when I clicked on the links, the links were dead.
>
> What else can I try?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Megan Strobel
> Research Publications Manager
> The Capital Group Company
> 333 S Hope Street
> Los Angeles, CA 90071
>
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> To: User support for WebProtege and Protege Desktop
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [protege-user] Trouble opening a file
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Megan,
>
> I?m able to open the file in Protege 5.5.0.  Please can you confirm that you?re using Protege 5.5.0?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On May 20, 2019, at 09:38, Megan Strobel <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I?m trying to open the LCSH?s subject schema, either from a downloaded file or from the URI and I?m not having luck with either.
>
> ?         The URI is http://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects I tried to open URL and paste in the address, but it timed out. I then tried to open the SKOS/RDF file, but it sat trying to open it for a while and then nothing. The file I tried is rdf format. There are also nt and ttl format that I haven?t tried. I read that I should try the U of Manchester?s OWL Validator or the OWL Syntax patcher, but when I clicked on the links, the links were dead.
>
> What else can I try?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Megan Strobel
> Research Publications Manager
> The Capital Group Company
> 333 S Hope Street
> Los Angeles, CA 90071
>
> _______________________________________________
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> From: Michael DeBellis <[hidden email]>
> To: User support for WebProtege and Protege Desktop
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [protege-user] count occurrences of elements in a bag
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>
> Daniel, no need to apologize, thanks for clarifying what you meant.
> Regarding your question:
>
>> If it is possible to set an object property assertion with a class...
> please let me know.
>
> It actually is possible. There is an OWL feature called Punning:
> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-new-features/#F12:_Punning
>
> With Punning you can create an Individual with the same name as a Class.
> This is useful for a (very basic) form of meta-object capability, when you want to add property assertions to a class. For example, if you had an ontology for cars and a class called Prius you might want to have a property called firstManufacturedOnDate  i.e., the first date a Prius was made, which you would want to store as information about the class. Or averageListPrice for the average price that a class of Car is recommended to be sold by a dealer.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 8:08 AM Daniel Schiebel <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Michael,
>>
>> I have to admit, that this sentence of my statement was very imprecisely.
>> Of
>> course you are right that you can define a class as domain for an
>> object property. I meant Object Property Assertions. I'm sorry for my mistake.
>>
>> In my example you have the object property contains with domain
>> (Class1 or
>> Class2 or Class3) and the range Types_of_content. Now I have created
>> elements (individuals) from this Types_of_content (A1, B1, C1, D1).
>> Now I wanted to set an object property assertion for every element
>> that
>> Class1 contains A1, Class1 contains B1 ... and I don't think this is
>> possible this way. So I created an individual X1 from Type Class1. And
>> now I can set the object property assertion X1 contains A1, X1
>> contains B1 ...
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>> P.S. If it is possible to set an object property assertion with a
>> class this exceeds my knowledge. In case please let me know. I'm far
>> away of being an expert, just had an idea for this issue and wanted to
>> help ;)
>>
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