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general axiom serialization looks wrong

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I write (ids in [])

mentions [IAO_0000142] some entity equivalentTo has_part some
('generically denotes' [IAO_0000219] some entity)

I see, with p4 rc1:

    <owl:Restriction>
        <owl:equivalentClass>
            <owl:Restriction>
                <owl:onProperty
rdf:resource="http://purl.obofoundry.org/obo/IAO_0000142"/>
                <owl:someValuesFrom
rdf:resource="http://www.ifomis.org/bfo/1.1#Entity"/>
            </owl:Restriction>
        </owl:equivalentClass>
        <owl:onProperty
rdf:resource="http://www.obofoundry.org/ro/ro.owl#has_part"/>
        <owl:someValuesFrom>
            <owl:Restriction>
                <owl:onProperty
rdf:resource="http://purl.obofoundry.org/obo/IAO_0000219"/>
                <owl:someValuesFrom
rdf:resource="http://www.ifomis.org/bfo/1.1#Entity"/>
            </owl:Restriction>
        </owl:someValuesFrom>
    </owl:Restriction>
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Annotation Properties

kotsomit
Hello,

Is it possible in Protégé 4 to define new annotation properties? More to the
point, is it possible to express hierarchies of annotation properties using
OWL 2's subAnnotationPropertyOf?

Thanks,

Dimitrios

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Re: Annotation Properties

Matthew Horridge
Hi Dimitrios,

In the P4 release, you cannot do this.  The next version will support  
this as it is supported by the next version of the OWL API.

Cheers,

Matthew



On 7 Jul 2009, at 21:07, Dimitrios Koutsomitropoulos wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Is it possible in Protégé 4 to define new annotation properties?  
> More to the
> point, is it possible to express hierarchies of annotation  
> properties using
> OWL 2's subAnnotationPropertyOf?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dimitrios
>
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Re: general axiom serialization looks wrong

Nick Drummond
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Hi Alan,

Sorry I don't understand what "mentions" and "generically denotes" mean.

p some A equivalentTo q some A

does appear to render very strangely but it works - one of the
restriction nodes is being treated as the subject of the triples

<owl:Restriction>
        <owl:equivalentClass>
            <owl:Restriction>
                <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#p"/>
                <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
            </owl:Restriction>
        </owl:equivalentClass>
        <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#q"/>
        <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
    </owl:Restriction>

in the same way a named class would:

<owl:Class rdf:about="#A">
        <owl:equivalentClass>
            <owl:Restriction>
                <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#p"/>
                <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
            </owl:Restriction>
        </owl:equivalentClass>
    </owl:Class>

Nick

2009/7/7 Alan Ruttenberg <[hidden email]>:

> I write (ids in [])
>
> mentions [IAO_0000142] some entity equivalentTo has_part some
> ('generically denotes' [IAO_0000219] some entity)
>
> I see, with p4 rc1:
>
>    <owl:Restriction>
>        <owl:equivalentClass>
>            <owl:Restriction>
>                <owl:onProperty
> rdf:resource="http://purl.obofoundry.org/obo/IAO_0000142"/>
>                <owl:someValuesFrom
> rdf:resource="http://www.ifomis.org/bfo/1.1#Entity"/>
>            </owl:Restriction>
>        </owl:equivalentClass>
>        <owl:onProperty
> rdf:resource="http://www.obofoundry.org/ro/ro.owl#has_part"/>
>        <owl:someValuesFrom>
>            <owl:Restriction>
>                <owl:onProperty
> rdf:resource="http://purl.obofoundry.org/obo/IAO_0000219"/>
>                <owl:someValuesFrom
> rdf:resource="http://www.ifomis.org/bfo/1.1#Entity"/>
>            </owl:Restriction>
>        </owl:someValuesFrom>
>    </owl:Restriction>
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Re: general axiom serialization looks wrong

Alan Ruttenberg-2
Yes, but what's the <owl:Restriction> wrapper doing around the whole
thing, at top level.
-Alan

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Nick
Drummond<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Alan,
>
> Sorry I don't understand what "mentions" and "generically denotes" mean.
>
> p some A equivalentTo q some A
>
> does appear to render very strangely but it works - one of the
> restriction nodes is being treated as the subject of the triples
>
> <owl:Restriction>
>        <owl:equivalentClass>
>            <owl:Restriction>
>                <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#p"/>
>                <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
>            </owl:Restriction>
>        </owl:equivalentClass>
>        <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#q"/>
>        <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
>    </owl:Restriction>
>
> in the same way a named class would:
>
> <owl:Class rdf:about="#A">
>        <owl:equivalentClass>
>            <owl:Restriction>
>                <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#p"/>
>                <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
>            </owl:Restriction>
>        </owl:equivalentClass>
>    </owl:Class>
>
> Nick
>
> 2009/7/7 Alan Ruttenberg <[hidden email]>:
>> I write (ids in [])
>>
>> mentions [IAO_0000142] some entity equivalentTo has_part some
>> ('generically denotes' [IAO_0000219] some entity)
>>
>> I see, with p4 rc1:
>>
>>    <owl:Restriction>
>>        <owl:equivalentClass>
>>            <owl:Restriction>
>>                <owl:onProperty
>> rdf:resource="http://purl.obofoundry.org/obo/IAO_0000142"/>
>>                <owl:someValuesFrom
>> rdf:resource="http://www.ifomis.org/bfo/1.1#Entity"/>
>>            </owl:Restriction>
>>        </owl:equivalentClass>
>>        <owl:onProperty
>> rdf:resource="http://www.obofoundry.org/ro/ro.owl#has_part"/>
>>        <owl:someValuesFrom>
>>            <owl:Restriction>
>>                <owl:onProperty
>> rdf:resource="http://purl.obofoundry.org/obo/IAO_0000219"/>
>>                <owl:someValuesFrom
>> rdf:resource="http://www.ifomis.org/bfo/1.1#Entity"/>
>>            </owl:Restriction>
>>        </owl:someValuesFrom>
>>    </owl:Restriction>
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Re: general axiom serialization looks wrong

Matthew Horridge
It types the main node of the translation of "q some A" as a  
restriction (would be OWL-Full otherwise).  This all looks fine to me.

Cheers,

Matthew


On 21 Jul 2009, at 18:08, Alan Ruttenberg wrote:

> Yes, but what's the <owl:Restriction> wrapper doing around the whole
> thing, at top level.
> -Alan
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Nick
> Drummond<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> Sorry I don't understand what "mentions" and "generically denotes"  
>> mean.
>>
>> p some A equivalentTo q some A
>>
>> does appear to render very strangely but it works - one of the
>> restriction nodes is being treated as the subject of the triples
>>
>> <owl:Restriction>
>>        <owl:equivalentClass>
>>            <owl:Restriction>
>>                <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#p"/>
>>                <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
>>            </owl:Restriction>
>>        </owl:equivalentClass>
>>        <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#q"/>
>>        <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
>>    </owl:Restriction>
>>
>> in the same way a named class would:
>>
>> <owl:Class rdf:about="#A">
>>        <owl:equivalentClass>
>>            <owl:Restriction>
>>                <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#p"/>
>>                <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
>>            </owl:Restriction>
>>        </owl:equivalentClass>
>>    </owl:Class>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> 2009/7/7 Alan Ruttenberg <[hidden email]>:
>>> I write (ids in [])
>>>
>>> mentions [IAO_0000142] some entity equivalentTo has_part some
>>> ('generically denotes' [IAO_0000219] some entity)
>>>
>>> I see, with p4 rc1:
>>>
>>>    <owl:Restriction>
>>>        <owl:equivalentClass>
>>>            <owl:Restriction>
>>>                <owl:onProperty
>>> rdf:resource="http://purl.obofoundry.org/obo/IAO_0000142"/>
>>>                <owl:someValuesFrom
>>> rdf:resource="http://www.ifomis.org/bfo/1.1#Entity"/>
>>>            </owl:Restriction>
>>>        </owl:equivalentClass>
>>>        <owl:onProperty
>>> rdf:resource="http://www.obofoundry.org/ro/ro.owl#has_part"/>
>>>        <owl:someValuesFrom>
>>>            <owl:Restriction>
>>>                <owl:onProperty
>>> rdf:resource="http://purl.obofoundry.org/obo/IAO_0000219"/>
>>>                <owl:someValuesFrom
>>> rdf:resource="http://www.ifomis.org/bfo/1.1#Entity"/>
>>>            </owl:Restriction>
>>>        </owl:someValuesFrom>
>>>    </owl:Restriction>
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Matthew
Horridge<[hidden email]> wrote:
> It types the main node of the translation of "q some A" as a restriction
> (would be OWL-Full otherwise).  This all looks fine to me.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew

Yes. Unwedged now, thanks.
-Alan

>
>
> On 21 Jul 2009, at 18:08, Alan Ruttenberg wrote:
>
>> Yes, but what's the <owl:Restriction> wrapper doing around the whole
>> thing, at top level.
>> -Alan
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Nick
>> Drummond<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Alan,
>>>
>>> Sorry I don't understand what "mentions" and "generically denotes" mean.
>>>
>>> p some A equivalentTo q some A
>>>
>>> does appear to render very strangely but it works - one of the
>>> restriction nodes is being treated as the subject of the triples
>>>
>>> <owl:Restriction>
>>>       <owl:equivalentClass>
>>>           <owl:Restriction>
>>>               <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#p"/>
>>>               <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
>>>           </owl:Restriction>
>>>       </owl:equivalentClass>
>>>       <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#q"/>
>>>       <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
>>>   </owl:Restriction>
>>>
>>> in the same way a named class would:
>>>
>>> <owl:Class rdf:about="#A">
>>>       <owl:equivalentClass>
>>>           <owl:Restriction>
>>>               <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#p"/>
>>>               <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#A"/>
>>>           </owl:Restriction>
>>>       </owl:equivalentClass>
>>>   </owl:Class>
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> 2009/7/7 Alan Ruttenberg <[hidden email]>:
>>>>
>>>> I write (ids in [])
>>>>
>>>> mentions [IAO_0000142] some entity equivalentTo has_part some
>>>> ('generically denotes' [IAO_0000219] some entity)
>>>>
>>>> I see, with p4 rc1:
>>>>
>>>>   <owl:Restriction>
>>>>       <owl:equivalentClass>
>>>>           <owl:Restriction>
>>>>               <owl:onProperty
>>>> rdf:resource="http://purl.obofoundry.org/obo/IAO_0000142"/>
>>>>               <owl:someValuesFrom
>>>> rdf:resource="http://www.ifomis.org/bfo/1.1#Entity"/>
>>>>           </owl:Restriction>
>>>>       </owl:equivalentClass>
>>>>       <owl:onProperty
>>>> rdf:resource="http://www.obofoundry.org/ro/ro.owl#has_part"/>
>>>>       <owl:someValuesFrom>
>>>>           <owl:Restriction>
>>>>               <owl:onProperty
>>>> rdf:resource="http://purl.obofoundry.org/obo/IAO_0000219"/>
>>>>               <owl:someValuesFrom
>>>> rdf:resource="http://www.ifomis.org/bfo/1.1#Entity"/>
>>>>           </owl:Restriction>
>>>>       </owl:someValuesFrom>
>>>>   </owl:Restriction>
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